SS rules wish list

[Toyzda]

[quote]What is stopping someone baulking to keep in a class bracket? I think the idea is good because you say its working - so it has to be good for NSW SS racing!

Baulking hasn't happened at all so far, but we already considered it when planning the move to these divisions. Except in the case of a brand new car, we already history to go by. A quick scan of Natsoft results and you know what a car can do. We based the divisions on the first qualifying session of the year (which was EC in this case) and anyone who wasn't at that was placed in a division based on either their history or an equivalent lap time at WP (our only other circuit).

We also knew that with it being a new system we may encounter some teething problems and therefore kept it a little open and flexible to begin with. In fact our allocations were pretty close, with only one competitor requesting a move to a different division (from D1 to D2). His evidence of why he wasn't a D1 competitor was sound so the move was no problem, and he is running down the order in the D2 points, so he certainly didn't drop back a division and dominate it.

We also "regrade" at the end of the year, ensuring cars in each division should be in that division again next year. One comes to mind already who will be moved from D2 to D1 as his performance this year has improved - he started squarely in D2 but just really got into it this year and now sees lap times well inside the D1 benchmark. Having that flexibility in our system really helps with maintaining it.

I asked my Dad about the old D1 and D2. He said it was quite similar to your system, but they were two seperate races. The problems started when D1 cars were driven in D2 by a 2nd driver. This dwindled the class down to a non-split racinging again.

[Ricey88]

Turbo’s and rotary’s are a part of sports sedans
It will never be easy to come up with a system that is fair
To all three engine types.
Turbo’s put out more power per cc than NA so our system gives them a multiplier
To equate them to a larger NA engine but does nothing to equalise the
Fact that it’s a much lighter engine putting out the same power.
So you guys can talk about restrictors, boost limits& whatever you want.
I will still focus my attention at getting the playing field level at the most basic
Level, and that is to look at the actual differences in engine types and the
Actual advantages and disadvantages of each type. So if something
Like this meant that the 75kg multi-valve rule could be dropped it might
Be a good thing
And 5% is probably a better weight to represent the difference in weights
of the to types of engine

Phil if you hadn’t noticed you have a great big weight bolted just in front of your firewall
Is your car unsafe?

Toyzda
As for your comment “This is not you looking for fair, this is you looking out for your best interests.”
You and I best discus this off the forum

[Toyzda]

I don't know what you have against me Ricey, but if you wish to wait to talk to me about it in person, then I wait for that day. I thought adding some different ideas around would generate good discussion.... I too rather "talk" in person, and have been known to "talk" too much...

I will now sit back and read.

[Phast Phil]

The weight to be applied to a turbo car is the weight for CC after the turbo 1.7 multiplier has been calculated, same as for rotary weight, post multiplier calculation.

In the case Ricey, does not the weight thing even itself out as a turbo car multipled up to 6000 would have to weigh in at 1200 on my new scale, same as a V8?

I am acutely aware of the engine weight, it is part of the overall racing weight and very securely located in the front of my car thank you.

[Ricey88]

The weight to be applied to a turbo car is the weight for CC after the turbo 1.7 multiplier has been calculated, same as for rotary weight, post multiplier calculation.

In the case Ricey, does not the weight thing even itself out as a turbo car multipled up to 6000 would have to weigh in at 1200 on my new scale, same as a V8?

I am acutely aware of the engine weight, it is part of the overall racing weight and very securely located in the front of my car thank you.

If you and i had identical safe 3499cc cars (at the min weight) and i took 50kg out from under the bonnet, but still remaining as a calculated 3499cc.
As you said earlyer i would put that 50 kg under the floor at the rear of the car.
I think i would then have an advantage.
And i dont think you would let me run in the same class

Its not well though out enough but its not silly either

[loser]

If you and i had identical safe 3499cc cars (at the min weight) and i took 50kg out from under the bonnet, but still remaining as a calculated 3499cc.
As you said earlyer i would put that 50 kg under the floor at the rear of the car.
I think i would then have an advantage.

If you were to do that Ricey, it's obvious you would be smarter than Phil by using the rules to your advantage. That's what it's all about. You're giving away all our secrets...

Now, judging by how busy the Forum is lately, I can only assume that we've all got our cars ready to race at the Island and there's gonna be a field of 50 cars there right?

Mine's ready, i've even resorted to working on an Improved production car.. :thinking:

[toranaracer]

We would put the weight where the corner scales tell us it needs to be, not automatically down the back like a pendulum? ;)

As the current rules are now there is a minimum build requirement which will hopefully make new cars safer.

Unfortunatly some of the old cars which are built from exhaust tubing and furnature steel are not exposed to the scrutiny of these regulations. :(

Maybe there needs to be something to cover upgrading "unsafe" cars?
Just a thought.

Loser, we will be at the Island with another new Folden engine B)

toranaracer

[Corolla52]

This is all getting to complicated. :(

[2002 turbo]

This is all getting to complicated. :(

Absolutely! I wish everyone would leave the rules alone!!!!

You can't expect a class to grow if the rules change like the wind changes direction.
Besides implementing some safety improvements for every ones longetivity I can't
see much else wrong with the current set of rules!
If you want more restrictions go to IPRA, if you want fast cars and the ability for a
race car to be your mobile creative canvas to express your engineering ideas then
stick around here!

Too much racing these days is stuck around cost containment and making it all so
even that no one can pass each other, BORING!
Look I am a realist, I don't have mega $ but we have good rules to keep costs in
check like no carbon brakes or paddle shift systems, limited aero modifications, etc.
People are always going to find ways to spend more $ then the next guy but there
are cars out there that are built clever and can be just as quick with less $ spent.

[loser]

Loser, we will be at the Island with another new Folden engine B)

toranaracer

That's the spirit, except this time that Folden's gonna hang together, seeing as how some of those bits you're using have been sitting in my shed soaking up the Buick Vibe B)

Can't wait to have the 2 Toranas back on the track again...Now, where is that young Norm with Torana #3?