big bangers scared ?

[ICE]

Well i have had my say and now in a year or two when someone has built an
unbeatable turbo i will not feel any guilt in going along with the majority in
stopping it.
The majority has spoken, Lets all go racing and drinking beer.

[2002 turbo]

Sports sedans need to be equal, no matter what brand and model of motor is used.

Not trying to sound rude but your logic is floored.
The cars will never be equal, given that the rules and the interpretation of them is so open let alone the mechanical and physical differences of each car, that is what makes the sport sedan class so good!
Look at the series now, Tony just dominates and he too runs a Chev like the majority of the front runners so there isn't even equality among the Chev powered cars.

Equality doesn't exist in Motorsport, while the engineering aspects of the car are totally crucial the budget will ultimately determine where you end up on the grid. The cashed up competitors have the ability to spend more time on development, track testing, use better and newer parts and maintain their cars so they don't break parts. The guys with little or no budget get on track when they can afford it, use whatever decent parts they can get their hands on and only replace
parts when they break. That is the reality of the situation.

[2002 turbo]

[Phast Phil]

Does everyone think only horsepower wins races?
Not the case at all. Sure a good car with horsepower may beat an equally good car with not so much horsepower, but most sports sedans are nowhere near the limit of development in handling and braking, especially in putting down the 700odd hp that some have.
The guys that are up front are good engineers or have access to good engineers. There are cars futher down the field that are actually faster in a straight line.
If Tony (or a few others) built a turbo car and built into that their knowledge to make it handle good and stop good then they would still be up front or winning. Bobby Ervin was up front at his first meeting. McFadyen was up front at his first meeting in the Mazda turbo, but it broke a diff in race 2.

In any form of motorsport you build a car to the rules and if your car is not on the money then you made a mistake or took shortcuts and did not realise the potential you thought it had. That is the logic.

The class runs democratically which means the majority rule. So far the majority seem to want to keep the rules as they are now with no change on any engine factors.

[ICE]

Sports sedans need to be equal, no matter what brand and model of motor is used.

I should have said "need to have equal POTENTIAL"

[MrBoost]

ice

if you built a 7L v8 running 9000rpm you would KILL our engine. that would be unbelievably 'unfair' our engine at the moment cant beat a top chev. if we plonked a top chev in our car as it is now we would go quicker i have no doubt. However we cant afford it. if you have 25k ice its time you start a love affair with the hairdryers if you want to be competitive.

phil
i agree with you completely that horsepower doesn't win races BUT what some of the guys arent realising/understanding is that even though trent and our car passes any chev out there in a straight line (so obviously we have more horsepower) doesnt mean we have a 'better' engine.
if right now we put our engine into tony's car and let him set it up he would not go any quicker than his chev. no matter what car we put our engine in we will still have the same traction problems. which arent a result of our rear end setup. Of course our rear end needs improving and would help us substantially. but if we got it right i still believe tony would be infront except maybe sandown and qld.
Our corner exit problems are due to lag which become wheelspin which in any long corner loses us ALOT of time.
something may pull past at the end of a straight doesnt mean it will pull past at the start aswell, in a turbo's case it will drop back from the chev.


what ice says is kind of right in that some new rules should be worked out.
if someone does go ahead with a 3.5L twin turbo 6 they will lose some of the problems our car in particular has and they will make 900 reliable horsepower. The resrictions we have all talked about are very hard to implement and monitor.
but something needs to be placed. 75kg may not be enough. how much does your car weigh phil? if we stuck a 3.5L v6 tt in your car it woulndt get much heavier and would still handle the same. id say most transams are well over weight arent they? so with an extra 200 or more horsepower you would have a field day wouldnt you?

more weight guys.

[boost'n 20b]

hey guys it's trent young,hey the engine in our car is still the same engine ctc combo that we have been running for a few years.we have just started getting on top of the car etc and is now starting to work.most of this stuff has started since the pass at eastern creek on voighty,who admits he doesn't have the best of engine in that car until now with his new engine.as for the choice of our engine is because of the cost effective side,hey there aint to much you can do to a rotary.lets face it we could've went for a 13b turbo,more boost,same power and weighed less and god knows what could happen.i think it all needs to blow over and lets go have some fun.until a turbo car wins for years like tony then they should worry

[Nadz44]

I agree with boostn 20b it all should be fun all u guys are lucky u can run in such a great category, i know ive loved it for years dont care who wins as long as we see some great racing and everybody ends up safe and unhurt at the end of the day

[ICE]

I think we hijacked this thread early on and made it not about just your car, but more about every car including cars not yet built.
I would hate to see this blow over before the voting is finished.
I hope the sports sedan owners think about it and makes a point of voting one way or the other.

Who would spend $25,000 on a N/A v8 with the rules the way they are Now ?

If the three main state's vote and keep the new current rules, will the national series be open to all cars that meet the current rules?

[Phast Phil]

Mr Boost

The Mustang weighed in at 1266 kilos at sandown and that is the lightest it has ever been.
I spent some time and money on rear suspension development (shock dyno, rear arm angles and sway bar rate) and gained 2 seconds per lap.
The rear end grip is so much better under acceleration (ask Jameson) but I had to find someone who knew what to do (Glen Seton). Was well worth the time and relatively small expense.
Now I did not know that I had that big a problem, I handed the car over in testing and said it feels better than ever. Glen returned to pit lane and said front feels OK but the rear is terrible. Then we went to work.
By the way Glen was 1 second a lap faster than me after only 5 laps in the car so maybe I need a tune up also!!

When is the last time you did shock dyno work, Tony does, Kerry does and now I do and we ran 1.2.3 at Sandown. I suspect Dean and Daniel do as well at the pace they are running. There is a bucket load of speed (especially out of corners) in shocks. I recommend it to you.

I am very happy for Trent and he should be left alone to develop the handling etc and I would love to see him win a race or round or series for that matter. It may encourage others to bring their rotaries up to speed and actually race them. He has a car that is capable and now he needs to refine it and drive it hard.

As for giving the green light for a 3.5 litre 900hp Turbo engine..........not likely to happen if the current feedback flows through to the NSSC board, nor should it.

I remember when Jim Richards had a 2 litre turbo BMW, it won races way back then and was a lovely car in black JPS livery. Keep working on it guys, victory is sweet when you do it your way.